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The Great Order on ice…Red Ice.
I joined for their Nov 5th, 2020 post-US election special
and offered a different kind of perspective.
Even though this segment was specific to the 2020 US election,
it touches on so many themes and points relevant to my work and the
approach I share that I included it in this site’s “Recommended First Videos” area.
Recorded video of the full show can be found
I appear at 2:27:00 time mark in the full show.
There was a great lineup of guests that also
included my friend and colleague, Jason Köhne.